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moondrake: anyone got the prey demo to work with radeon? everything just renders very very dark grey
nyp4life: anybody home?
rindolf: nyp4life: I am.
nyp4life: heyyyy
nyp4life: ok i need some help
nyp4life: ive been trying for weeks now to get my x1950 pro card up and running
nyp4life: the only thing i've managed so far that doesn't give me a black screen or "no signal" is using no drivers..
rindolf: nyp4life: what is your OS+distro?
nyp4life: i tried from System > Administration > Hardware Drivers with no luck
nyp4life: oh right sorry.. Ubuntu Hardy
rindolf: nyp4life: ah.
nyp4life: i even tried the ati restricted drivers and the installer from the ati site (i know that support for that is on a different channel but just mentioning)
nyp4life: i've read thru countless forums.. tried every single how-to and tutorial, properly uninstalling drivers before trying new methods..
rindolf: nyp4life: OK.
rindolf: nyp4life: have you tried the latest drivers from git?
nyp4life: dont know what git is.. sorry i just switched to ubuntu a while ago
glisse: nyp4life: pastebining a xorg.log would be insightfull
rindolf: nyp4life: git is a version control system.
rindolf: nyp4life: it's used by the Radeon/RadeonHD efforts.
nyp4life: sorry where is xorg.log located
hifi: nyp4life: just mentioning you are not going to get accelerated 3D without the closed drivers (yet)
glisse: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
glisse: hifi: hw will x1950 are support by opensource driver
glisse: not as best as by the closed one
nyp4life: ok heres the log: http://pastebin.com/m3e73b9af
hifi: I didn't understand a word you said but ok :)
glisse: nyp4life: this is with ves
glisse: nyp4life: this is with vesa
glisse: doesn't say much about your problem
moondrake: hifi: he means glxgears works fine, but some 3D game will probably fail horribly :P
hifi: I know R5xx is somewhat supported with the curret git driver
glisse: you need to save a log after a failure
nyp4life: yea the only way i can boot is when i don't have drivers installed..
hifi: moondrake: nice translation
nyp4life: after a failure i have no screen and don't know much about linux to get around (i can blindly restart but thats about all)
nyp4life: how would i save the xorg.log?
glisse: nyp4life: go in console
glisse: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
glisse: change vesa to radeon
glisse: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
glisse: Xorg
glisse: ctr-c
glisse: save /var/log/Xorg.0.log
glisse: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
glisse: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and reset to vesa
glisse: /etc/init.d/gdm start
nyp4life: there is no vesa in xorg.conf
glisse: all this as root
glisse: nyp4life: you sure ?
nyp4life: right now its with no driver.. its the one i get after a dpkg-reconfigure
nyp4life: just default everything
glisse: nyp4life: can you pastebin it
nyp4life: http://pastebin.com/m680792b9
nyp4life: ive tried playing around with it after various attempts at open and closed source driver installations
glisse: nyp4life: ok i modified it http://pastebin.com/m79c0af8f
glisse: try this one with the procedure i just gave
glisse: and then restore the old one
glisse: and pastebin the saved xorg.log
rindolf: How do I enable EXA?
moondrake: rindolf: Option "AccelMethod" "EXA"
adamk: Option "AccelMethod" "EXA"
rindolf: moondrake: thanks.
moondrake: same section as the driver btw
rindolf: moondrake: thanks.
rindolf: Restarting X now.
rindolf: Hi all.
rindolf: OK - I'm running EXA now - doesn't seem to be any difference, either for good or for bad.
rindolf: Not that it didn't work before.
zhasha: I think the default accelmethod is EXA
adamk: Depends on the version of the driver.
zhasha: 0.6.9 defaults to EXA right?
adamk: I *think* so, yes.
juliane: hi
rindolf: juliane: hi.
juliane: Iwant to get dualhead work with my "ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE]" on a debian sid with Xorg. xrandr --auto doesn't help...
juliane: What can I do next?
moondrake: juliane: probably post a bug, and explain what screens you are trying to connect (ie, analog, dvi) and post the logs
moondrake: and xrandr output, maybe try some different resolutions manually
adamk: juliane, Go to http://pastebin.ca/ and paste in the output of 'xrandr'
juliane: adamk: k
juliane: adamk: http://pastebin.ca/1249643 output of xrandr
soreau: juliane: Which two monitors have you plugged in?
juliane: two VGA-monitors
soreau: Try: xrandr --output VGA-0 --set load_detection 1
juliane: with xrandr --addmode VGA-0 1280x1024; and xrandr --output VGA-0 --mode 1280x1024 the second monitor mirrors the first
soreau: And maybe something like: xrandr --output VGA-1 --auto --right-of VGA-0
juliane: no effect
agd5f: juliane: make sure your desktop is big enough for both screens. you may have to add a virtual line to you config
juliane: http://pastebin.ca/1249647 this is my xorg-log if it matters
adamk: agd5f, VGA-0 is showing as disconnected... Would not having a large enough Virtual line do that?
agd5f: juliane: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12
agd5f: adamk: that just means the driver isn't able to detect a monitor attached
juliane: the two monitors are identical
soreau: adamk: --set load_detection 1 makes tv-out 'get detected' for me
juliane: do I need a virtual line or don'i?
juliane: or not..
agd5f: juliane: yes
adamk: juliane, Always listen to agd5f :-)
soreau: juliane: If you can mirror the monitors but not use them in a dual head configuration at the resolution you're using, then yes
agd5f: Virtual 2560 1024
agd5f: load detection is disabled by default on the tv-dac, since the dac is shared between tv and vga so you can get false positives
soreau: I could not find load_detection in the xrandr man page, only --set
juliane: agd5f: can I activate it?
agd5f: soreau: it's a driver specific option
soreau: Well, this is why I dislike man pages so much xD
agd5f: juliane: dualhead? xrandr --addmode VGA-0 1280x1024; xrandr --output VGA-0 --mode 1280x1024; xrandr --output VGA-0 --right-of VGA-1
juliane: agd5f: it mirrors, the windows reach out of the screen... xrandr sais VGA-0 disconnected ....
juliane: strainge
soreau: Where can I find more information about the development status of dri2 for ati cards?
BigBrain: soreau: guess www.phoronix.com is the best place for that, at least you won't miss any important advances in development
soreau: Yea, I was just wondering if any of the things said on there are believable
adamk: A healthy dose of skepticism when it comes to phoronix is never a bad thing :-)
juliane: adamk: http://datenschleuder.net/IMG_5186.jpg
juliane: adamk: that is the effect of xrandr --addmode VGA-0 1280x1024;xrandr --output VGA-0 --mode 1280x1024; xrandr --output VGA-0 --left-of VGA-1
soreau: juliane: Did you restart X after adding the Virtual line suggested by agd5f?
nyp4life: ok i just did a fresh install of kubuntu 8.10 and would like to get my x1950 card working properly.. haven't tried ANYTHING yet.. my experiene with hardy has made me cautious. open source didnt work there, restricted drivers didnt work, and the installer straight from ati didn't either.. any suggestions as to which i should try first?
nyp4life: using amd64 of kubuntu intrepid btw
nyp4life: glisse: if you're still there i tried the steps you told me before.. didnt work. and rather than coming back and trying to fix it, i chose to start from scratch with a fresh install and a newer OS
juliane: soreau: yes
soreau: juliane: Can you pastebin the output of 'xrandr' now?
logari81: juliane: just in case, try a switch to tty1 and back to X after you set xrandr
logari81: I experiance this strange bug, that I need a VT to get my xrandr settings applied
glisse: nyp4life: my procedure was not for fixing you solution
glisse: but for getting an xorg.log of you problem
glisse: ubuntu stupid failsafe things get in the way
nyp4life: oh.. well in any case i had the 8.10 kubuntu dvd anyway so just reinstalled lol
glisse: nyp4life: and it works ?
nyp4life: well it boots fine.. havent done absolutely anything to it as far as drivers go..
nyp4life: just installed updates and configuring firefox now..
nyp4life: dont know which driver to try first..
nyp4life: i hate that i have to say FIRST after that lol
glisse: nyp4life: by default you should have the radeon open source driver
glisse: so if you got somethings on the screen then it's working
nyp4life: my xorg.conf has all but three lines.. nothing is configured yet
juliane: soreau: http://datenschleuder.net/xrandr.log
glisse: nyp4life: no need to tweak xorg.conf
glisse: nyp4life: we are moving away of xorg.conf
glisse: server autoconfigure itself
nyp4life: well my resolution isn't great right now..
nyp4life: screen should be at 1680x1050 and its more like 1280x1024.. or at least that's what it looks like..
logari81: nyp4life, glisse: btw I helped a friend some days ago to get his X1950 work with the driver version shipped with Ubuntu, we just had to enable EXA and set vblanc_mode to something
soreau: juliane: If you run 'xrandr --output VGA-0 --set load_detection 1; xrandr --output VGA-0 --auto --right-of VGA-1' does it work?
nyp4life: logari81: what are these things u speak of.. please enlighten me! i had been trying for weeks with ubuntu 8.04
soreau: nyp4life: Yes, you should be using exa rendering method with X version 1.5 or later
juliane: soreau: no
logari81: nyp4life: the driver version in 8.04 is just to old for 3D on your card, but I think glisse can help you much better than me
nyp4life: lol i did a google search for exa help ubuntu and got this as the first hit: EXA is balls
juliane: soreau: left screen is black/death then
soreau: juliane: Then I don't know. Maybe look on the xrandr wiki?
soreau: nyp4life: Can you pastebin the complete output of 'glxinfo'?
nyp4life: soreau: here it is- http://pastebin.com/m30b42424
soreau: nyp4life: So you're drivers are already working by default
nyp4life: hmm.. how do you change screen resolution
soreau: nyp4life: To use exa rendering, add this line to the Device section of xorg.conf: Option "AccelMethod" "EXA"
nyp4life: desktop settings has no option
zhasha: nyp4life, what desktop environment?
nyp4life: kde
zhasha: sorry, I don't know about that...
zhasha: but you could just do it with xrandr
nyp4life: zhasha: so to make it 1680x1050 what would the command be?
nyp4life: i tried xrandr -s 1680x1050 but nothing..
logari81: nyp4life: pastebin the result of "xrandr -q" please
nyp4life: http://pastebin.com/m806ff0a
nyp4life: logari81: my maximum is 1360x1360.. how can i change that?
zhasha: nyp4life, to my knowledge the max shouldn't be that low
zhasha: IIRC the card says it can do 2560x2560 or something like that
nyp4life: yea i figured.. so is there no way of changing it?
zhasha: I think it's a driver bug
zhasha: have you posted your xorg.conf?
nyp4life: its not much to look at.. this is a fresh install
agd5f: juliane: it's probably driving both displays with the same crtc
zhasha: granted it shouldn't make a difference
agd5f: juliane: dualhead? xrandr --addmode VGA-0 1280x1024; xrandr --output VGA-0 --mode 1280x1024 --crtc 1; xrandr --output VGA-0 --right-of VGA-1
nyp4life: zhasha: xorg.conf- http://pastebin.com/m2bde9f10
nyp4life: im adding EXA to it right now and restarting X
zhasha: that shouldn't cause any problems as far as I know
nyp4life: brb
zhasha: with Xserver 1.5
nyp4life: ok after EXA everything looks much sharper..
nyp4life: now if i can only get my resolution up
zhasha: what's your resolution now?
nyp4life: xrandr says 1152x864
zhasha: I'm a noob when it comes to these things
nyp4life: lol tell me about it
zhasha: normally my driver gets it's info from the bios or the display itself so I don't have these problems :P
nyp4life: i've gotten sick of changing around xorg.conf's and installing/uninstalling different drivers..
nyp4life: the way i see it i have two options
nyp4life: either go buy and nvidia or stick to vista.. neither really sounds very tempting
zhasha: but nvidia has delicious 3d accel :P
nyp4life: an*
nyp4life: yea but im looking for a.. cheaper solution
glisse: nyp4life: many people have successfull experience with same hw as yours
nyp4life: so ive read..
nyp4life: i got really happy with one guy posting that the new 8-10 driver from ati fixed his issues, thinking it'll work for me too but....
zhasha: I'm using ubuntu 8.10's fglrx driver right now on archlinux. works like a charm
rx__: works on gentoo :>
subvertir: Which pci bar is the atombios rom on?
zhasha: if it works on gentoo, it works everywhere
nyp4life: mmm.. ok im gonna try fglrx now
agd5f: subvertir: the rom resource
soreau: nyp4life: What is the problem?
zhasha: DDC doesn't give the right resolutions
rx__: on 2.6.28-rc3 even
zhasha: wow
nyp4life: my screen resolution mainly.. dont really care too much about 3d and all that other stuff
zhasha: I'm not a fan of running release candidates :P
subvertir: agd5f, that's sorta tautological, no offense ;) like 0-3 which one?
rx__: i *was* running on 2.6.25.11 prior
soreau: nyp4life: Then no need to install fglrx
nyp4life: i see
subvertir: agd5f, I know it's kind of a dumb question but this stuff is mindnumbingly annoying for a noob to google for
soreau: nyp4life: There is a resolution switcher somewhere in kde I'm sure, and you can use xrandr too
nyp4life: well xrandr has my maximum at 1360x1360.. my screen should be 1680x1050 and i tried 'xrandr --size 1680x1050' but it did nothing
soreau: Well..
nyp4life: ok i just found screen resize & rotate
soreau: xrandr is telling you your max, and what you're trying is beyond the max so, you may need to adjust or add a Virtual line
nyp4life: but it doesn't seem to open
nyp4life: add virtual to xorg.conf? Virtual "1680" "1050" under which section?
juliane: YEAH! running!!!
soreau: nyp4life: Under the Screen section, something like this http://pastie.org/310912
soreau: juliane: What did you have to do?
nyp4life: added.. brb
juliane: with the commands: xrandr --output VGA-1 --off && xrandr --addmode VGA-0 1280x1024;xrandr --output VGA-1 --mode 1280x1024 --right-of VGA-0
juliane: but how put this in the xorg.conf?
agd5f: juliane: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12
nyp4life: still not quite there..
nyp4life: btw is restarting x enough or do i need to reboot?
subvertir: hmm, isn't the check for 0x55AA redundant
agd5f: subvertir: [virtual] Expansion ROM at a8000000
subvertir: agd5f, yeah I realized exactly how dumb a question it was shortly after asking it as usual ;)
esthar: Is there a way to try and get projectM visualiser to get better performance?
esthar: I would think that if compositing and Quake work using radeon, a music visualiser should
soreau: esthar: I've been wanting to know how to install and use projectM for awhile now, how did you do it?
juliane: So i finnally wrote a script for dual head: http://datenschleuder.net/dualhead.sh
juliane: script is called via XFCE Autorun Function on X-Session Startup
juliane: I know: It"
juliane: s a dirty hack! ;)
soreau: juliane: Glad you got it figured out ;)
soreau: esthar: Sorry to answer your question with a question, but I haven't had a chance to play around with projectm at all, so not sure how it fares :P
esthar: soreau: What distro do you run?
soreau: gentoo or ubuntu
soreau: gentoo atm..
mcgreg: debian .. of course ;)
mcgreg: oh sry
mcgreg: guess in 1-2 weeks I'll get my radeon 4670 :) I hope it'll with free drivers, else I'll have to use fglrx ;)
dmb: is there something similar to the vpu recovery on windows in linux?
TobiasIsACommie: mcgreg: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_rv730_oss&num=1
TobiasIsACommie: a bit old, but the latest i know
mcgreg: well, I'll see. in the worst case, VESA shoudl work ;)
TobiasIsACommie: i really don't know if it is better now
TobiasIsACommie: http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=xorg/driver/xf86-video-ati.git;a=summary <- you could look here
TobiasIsACommie: your chipset should be rv730xt i believe
mcgreg: TobiasIsACommie: well, I still can use fglrx then. I guess it will install it before I change the cards. it should work fine. later I can change to radeon again
TobiasIsACommie: :)
mcgreg: radeon always worked very good for me. fglrx always sucked :) so, even if I won't have 3d with radeon, it won't matter. I'll rather have stable 2d
dmb: does anyone know if the ati x1400 supports glsl?
airlied: it should.
RTFM_FTW: yep the HW supports GLSL (specifically fragment and vertex programmability)
RTFM_FTW: assuming the driver supports ARB_fragment_program, ARB_vertex_program and (in the GLSL case) ARB_fragment_shader, ARB_vertex_shader
dmb: oh
rx__: so if we want to update drm we should be using drm-next?
rx__: from 2.6.28-rc*
spstarr: kicks EXA
airlied: spstarr: see if xorg-x11-drv-ati -43 has any effect on the flash corruption
airlied: though it probably won't
spstarr: will bump to new kernel/DDX in a bit
rx__: hello bridgman
spstarr: hullo bridgman
bridgman: hi guys
bridgman: nice to be back... no internet when you're deer hunting
rx__: catch any?
spstarr: grabs -43
airlied: spstarr: -44 is coming in a minute :)
spstarr: doh
spstarr: trying flash
spstarr: nope
spstarr: corrupt
spstarr: looks at -44 diff
spstarr: oh, not even committed :)
airlied: just a fix for big pixmaps crashing things.
spstarr: maybe that might fix my 'drag a kde plasmoid and wedge' X issue (otherwise less repeatable)
spstarr: gets kernel -91
spstarr: airlied: someone working with kms with you? quintela?
airlied: spstarr: nope just me...
spstarr: http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/rpms/kernel/devel/drm-modesetting-radeon.patch?view=log
spstarr: scratches head
airlied: thats in a branch
airlied: he's just pulling my latest bits to his branch
spstarr: I see, i didnt see your 3 second fix in there
airlied: its just a register read change.
spstarr: so it wasn't part of the modesetting patch
airlied: spstarr: kernel/F-10 now
spstarr: oh yes not devel ...
spstarr: i like to see your diff since you have other commit bursts listed in it
spstarr: one fence race condition
spstarr: dpms support.. that would fix my CRT from going into a blank state and never coming back :) (on the radeon 9700)
spstarr: drm_uncached_*
airlied: spstarr: yeah the dpms handling is still a bit wierd.
spstarr: gonna try new kernel with kms + composite and go crazy.. but waiting for -44
spstarr: changes to ring buffer padding
spstarr: got -44
spstarr: huge code ripout :)
spstarr: nice
spstarr: consolidation is nice
airlied: hadn't used it in months, just forgot it was in there.
spstarr: every code path reduction helps, ok giving this all a go
spstarr: ouch
spstarr: airlied:
spstarr: 1) still locks up on reboot w/o X loaded (IRQ issue)
spstarr: ^^ with kms
spstarr: 2) with kms, tried with plymouth, X loaded, tried to start KDE, the laptop rebooted on its own
spstarr: 3) tried again got a hard lockup in X
spstarr: :(
spstarr: back in non kms mode
airlied: nice... I think agp cards will miss kms in f10 final then :)
rmh3093: ooooh
spstarr: hehe
rmh3093: did i just read 3 second fix
spstarr: airlied: you have agp turned on again?
airlied: rmh3093: in theory :)
spstarr: i can try with agpmode=-1
airlied: please test it as I'm having no fun reproducing it here.
airlied: spstarr: no it defaults to PCI mode still
spstarr: hmm
rmh3093: airlied, which repo?
spstarr: that was bad lockup
airlied: rmh3093: drm-rawhide branch
rmh3093: ok
spstarr: lemme try composite and VT switching..
airlied: you should probably pull latest radeon-gem-cs as well
airlied: I've fixed some stupid in there as well.
rmh3093: thats the ati driver right
airlied: yup.
spstarr: composite on
spstarr: VT switches...
airlied: I don't think I've fixed all the 3 sec hangs, just the one I could make happen here :)
spstarr_desk: 2 ooh an X crash
spstarr_desk: 11: /usr/lib/libdrm.so.2 [0x65e6cf]
spstarr_desk: 12: /usr/lib/libdrm.so.2(drmCommandWriteRead+0x34) [0x65e934]
airlied: pastebin :)
spstarr_desk: X now shows backtrace when it gets stuck, in a ioctl
airlied: yup.
spstarr_desk: sure but the symbols aren't all resolved
spstarr_desk: http://www.sh0n.net/spstarr/wedge.txt