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soc: hi
bosele: can I test RadeonHD with fglrx one the same system, and if so, what changes to xorg.conf should i look out for?
libv: bosele: fglrx doesn't play nice
bosele: not even if i just blacklist the module on boot?
Suprano: i once read some arguments against the design of Xorg .. but i forgot what arguments that were.. does anyone have a link for me?
libv: Suprano: arguments against the design of xorg?
libv: Suprano: this probably boils down to "Xorg development was stagnant for 3-4years, while companies like redhat dropped the desktop on the floor"
libv: and while others of course couldn't be bothered with doing anything about X either
Death_Syn: my desktop likes living on the floor
udovdh: Dutch news: http://core.tweakers.net/nieuws/51453/amd-introduceert-radeon-hd-3450-3470-en-3650.html
udovdh: new bottom end cards
udovdh: any progress updates?
udovdh: specific things to test?
libv: today?
libv: hah
libv: this is why we received the docs for them, today
libv: sndirsch1: is there another sndirsch around?
udovdh: you did, libv?
udovdh: what docs specifically?
udovdh: rv630-stuff for 2d?
libv: udovdh: modesetting
udovdh: for the chips I mentioned?
libv: yeah
udovdh: ok
udovdh: at least something
udovdh: the rest is still in a WiP phase?
libv: well, what do you expect when we only got docs today
udovdh: yes
udovdh: but for the older chips
udovdh: that was what I meant
libv: well, our most immediate problem is getting rv620/635 hw going
udovdh: is it very different from rv630?
libv: yes.
libv: and we've only had the hw since early december.
libv: first chance we had to get hw support out at the same time as the announcement and this is what happens
udovdh: hmmm
Agiofws: heelo
Agiofws: i am using fglrx
Agiofws: and getting these messages in dmesg
Agiofws: can you please tell me what you make out of this is this normal http://rafb.net/p/adakfy55.html ?
libv: Agiofws: #ati
Agiofws: libv, i will have to try radeonhd
Agiofws: cause fglrx is like burning up my lsd laptopscreen
libv: Agiofws: but any use of fglrx means "all bets are off" for us
Agiofws: but strangely only the lapis screen analog diskplay is fine
Agiofws: what does that mean ?
Agiofws: "all bets are off" for us ?
libv: Agiofws: go to #ati is what it means
Agiofws: lol
libv: Agiofws: and we prefer a power cycle after fglrx before running radeonhd :)
Agiofws: i am there before i joined here
Agiofws: i have to change to radeonhd
Agiofws: so i can debug this problem
libv: there is no debugging fglrx
Agiofws: and we prefer a power cycle ?
libv: yes
Agiofws: a power cycle ?
libv: fglrx doesn't restore _everything_
libv: yes.
Agiofws: i am using fglrx at the moment
libv: fglrx doesn't even try to play nice
libv: then talk in #ati
Agiofws: but i want to try radeonhd
libv: then try it.
Agiofws: can you explain why it doesn't even try to play nice ?
libv: Agiofws: no
libv: Agiofws: ask in #ati why it doesn't restore the state properly
Agiofws: i am going to sacrifice 3d and acc to see if the problem still occurs
libv: it's closed source software
Agiofws: restore the state properly " wha does that mean ?
Agiofws: i know its closed
Agiofws: an radeonhd is open
Agiofws: libv, ok any hints points on installing radeonhd ?
Agiofws: i use debian
Agiofws: my card is
libv: Agiofws: there's a README
Agiofws: ati radeonHD
libv: there is also a wiki page
Agiofws: ati radeon 2600HD
libv: Agiofws: if you want to, i think we can have some novell helpdesk people handhold you through building something for yourself
Agiofws: building what ?
Agiofws: from novell ?
bosele: well, I'm also looking to do a similar thing here, I've been told I can have/can't have Radeonhd on my system if I also have fglrx. considering your last comment libv: it's possible but i will have to reboot when switching drivers.
bosele: libv, correct?
Agiofws: are you saying unistall fglrx ?
Agiofws: first ?
libv: bosele: yup, although in some cases it might even be necessary to reset the machine
Agiofws: are you saying unistall fglrx ?
Agiofws: Agiofws before install radeonhd ?
Agiofws: But the driver still lacks more advanced features like 2D, 3D and video acceleration as the information for such an implementation hasn't been made available yet.
Agiofws: the screen is one of the most vital output devices of a pc so you want need it to work quite fluently ... and quickly smoothly ... its really a + when nvidia even in linux closed drives does so well compared to ati-linux shitty drivers i hope it changes
bosele: libv, also xorg.conf changes can be limited to changing the Device section and removing the Monitor section, or would it be best to just use all settings in the wiki (laptop panel)and setting shadowfb to on
libv: bosele: a very bare config should be the best option :)
libv: bosele: start with just device section with driver name and identifier, no monitor and no Modes directive
bosele: libv, alright i'll give it a shot, thanks
Agiofws: libv, i'll give it a shot aswell
Agiofws: it will help me determen if i don;t have a hardware problem
Agiofws: if it still fks up i iwll have to see if it occurs on vista ...
Agiofws: http://ati.cchtml.com/show_bug.cgi?id=999
rehabdoll: Agiofws: this channel has nothing to do with fglrx
Agiofws: hehe
Agiofws: ok
rehabdoll: but if you dont need 3d or xvideo you could give radeonhd a try :)
libv: rehabdoll: xvideo is 3d :p
rehabdoll: :)
Agiofws: agiofws@ixus:~/radeonHD/xf86-video-radeonhd$ ./autogen.sh
Agiofws: Can't exec "aclocal": No such file or directory at /usr/bin/autoreconf2.50 line 182.
Agiofws: ?
rehabdoll: you need to install autoconf
Agiofws: i think i have ?
rehabdoll: sorry, automake
Agiofws: rehabdoll,
Agiofws: configure.ac:18: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_DISABLE_STATIC
Agiofws: If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow.
Agiofws: See the Autoconf documentation.
Agiofws: configure.ac:19: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_PROG_LIBTOOL
Agiofws: autoreconf: /usr/bin/autoconf failed with exit status: 1
Agiofws: src/Makefile.am:71: Libtool library used but `LIBTOOL' is undefined
Agiofws: src/Makefile.am:71: The usual way to define `LIBTOOL' is to add `AC_PROG_LIBTOOL'
end-schranz: hi, is there any andvantage vesa compared to the radeonhd driver?
libv: ?
libv: have you tried using multiple monitors with vesa recently?
end-schranz: libv: i dont use serveral monitors, i dont see any andvantage for me
libv: well, then use our driver to have direct access to the framebuffer, instead of going through the vga apertures
libv: end-schranz: what hardware is this anyway?
end-schranz: libv: x1950 pro
end-schranz: rv570
ajax: not to muddy the waters here, but vesa does have a linear framebuffer mode, and in fact almost all modern hardware uses it.
libv: ah, it does? hrm, my knowledge of vesa is too limited :)
end-schranz: libv: I only wanted to know if there is any advantage but i dont found any yet
libv: i saw the vga aperture flash by yesterday when looking for the vbe ddc call in the main vesa spec
libv: ajax: tseng et6100 has ddc and i think i can get the tseng driver to expose this with about an hours more work ;p
end-schranz: libv: thx for the informations
libv: or how libpciaccess also helps modesetting on 12y old cards which cannot even address its full 4.5mb fb
ajax: libv: nice!
libv: yeah, i'm sure all 5 users will be delighted :p
libv: we had a tseng bugreport at novell last week. sndirsch closed it stating ENOHW before i noticed it. i was not happy
libv: but the user fixed it by reseating the chips anyway
Agiofws: pls
Agiofws: i am trying to install radeonhd driver on debian can anyone help
Agiofws: its shows that its installed but xorg says cannot find radeonhd driver
Agiofws: i am trying to install radeonhd driver on debian can anyone help ? its shows that its installed but xorg says cannot find radeonhd driver ?
Agiofws: can someone tell my why the fsk radeonhd driver installs with out any ... errors but fucking xorg cant load it or find it intalled ?
agd5f: Agiofws: did you change Driver "radeonhd" in your xorg.conf?
Agiofws: (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
Agiofws: (EE) Failed to load module "radeonhd" (module does not exist, 0)
Agiofws: (EE) No drivers available.
Agiofws: agd5f, yes
Agiofws: i did
agd5f: Agiofws: what does your xorg log say?
Agiofws: i pasted it
Agiofws: (EE) Failed to load module "radeonhd" (module does not exist, 0)
agd5f: Agiofws: sounds like it's not installed properly
Agiofws: ./autogen.sh ;make ; su -c make install no ?
Agiofws: i just compiled it again
agd5f: ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr
Agiofws: is there any log
Agiofws: ok
Agiofws: \wait
agd5f: otherwise it'll install in /usr/local
Agiofws: ok i did make install
Agiofws: can i check if its installed now ?
Agiofws: which dir ?
Agiofws: ixus:/home/agiofws/radeonHD/xf86-video-radeonhd# cd /usr/share/r
Agiofws: rdesktop/ readline/ realplay/ reportbug/ rhythmbox/
Agiofws: ?
agd5f: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/
Agiofws: xus:/home/agiofws/radeonHD/xf86-video-radeonhd# cd /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/r
Agiofws: r128_drv.so radeon_drv.so radeonhd_drv.la radeonhd_drv.so rendition_drv.so
Agiofws: ixus:/home/agiofws/radeonHD/xf86-video-radeonhd# cd /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/r
Agiofws: ?
Agiofws: ok
Agiofws: am i set ?
Agiofws: agd5f, ?
agd5f: looks good
Agiofws: Section "Device"
Agiofws: Identifier "ATI Technologies Inc ATI Default Card"
Agiofws: Driver "radeonhd"
Agiofws: #Driver "fglrx"
Agiofws: BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
Agiofws: EndSection
Agiofws: ?
Agiofws: ok ?
Agiofws: agd5f, ?
agd5f: yup
Agiofws: agd5f,
Agiofws: (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
Agiofws: (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
Agiofws: (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
Agiofws: (EE) RADEONHD(0): RHDVGASave: VGA FB Offset (0xC0000000) is out of range of the Cards Internal FB Address (0xE0000000)
Agiofws: (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
Agiofws: ?
Agiofws: can anyone help
Agiofws: (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
Agiofws: (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
Agiofws: (EE) RADEONHD(0): RHDVGASave: VGA FB Offset (0xC0000000) is out of range of the Cards Internal FB Address (0xE0000000)
Agiofws: (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
libv: Agiofws: first EE is not really fatal
libv: Agiofws: but will probably mean that vt isn't restored that nicely if it is a vga framebuffer
Agiofws: libv, it tright to load but just got a black screen
libv: ok...
Agiofws: tried*
Agiofws: you want me to grep for anything in the log file ?
libv: Agiofws: can you run X with -logverbose 7 and then send in the log to the mailinglist?
Agiofws: you want to see my xorg.conf
Agiofws: do i have to register ?
libv: no, i just want to see the log
libv: i am not sure... but this is a good idea anyway
Agiofws: can i just pastebin it ?
Agiofws: whats the email ?
libv: no, not really, as it has just gone past midnight and i am still in the office, and i still haven't had something in the way of supper :)
libv: Agiofws: it is all on the wiki page which is in the /topic
Agiofws: i know i've done that
Agiofws: agiofws@ixus:/var/log$ paste < Xorg.0.log.old
Agiofws: Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/TSnGO171.html
Agiofws: tell me the email
Agiofws: libv, ?
Agiofws: agd5f, ?
Agiofws: agd5f,
Agiofws: ok it worked
Agiofws: but know i can't set dual display
Agiofws: agiofws@ixus:~$ xrandr --output PANEL --right-of VGA_1
Agiofws: xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1280x1280 (desired size 2560x1024)
Agiofws: agiofws@ixus:~$
libv: virtual
libv: set up a large enough virtual resolution in the display subsection
Agiofws: wait libv so you can confirm
Agiofws: SubSection "Display"
Agiofws: Modes "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1280x854" "1280x800" "1280x768" "1200x800" "1152x864" "1152x768" "1024x768" "800x600"
Agiofws: EndSubSection
Agiofws: libv, there ?
Agiofws: ?
libv: on a line of its own: Virtual 2560 1024
libv: and now i really head for home.
Agiofws: SubSection "Display"
Agiofws: Modes "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1280x854" "1280x800" "1280x768" "1200x800" "1152x864" "1152x768" "1024x768" "800x600"
Agiofws: Virtual 2560 1024
Agiofws: EndSubSection
Agiofws: EndSection
Agiofws: like that ?
Agiofws: maybe quotes ?